secondly, you are never going to hurt results by educating yourself. those would be generally light, two pieces of advice. >> if there is no way i can get a job, do i want to put myself through $40,000 in debt doing that? >> there is no question that the job market today is not the job market of america when it was full throttle -- >> just a few minutes left on this debate. you can see in its entirety at c-span.org. this is getting under way from the federalist society. >> our moderator today is pete williams. he is well known for being one of the first journalists to get the reporting right on that long ago december evening when the decision came down in bush vs. gore. we are grateful to him for leading the discussion today. >> each of our panelists has a set of cases to produce. "playboy" magazine has just declared the university of virginia as the top party school. >> i was in the library the whole time. >> into a dozen 6, he became the first lawyer to fill a position, assistant attorney general for -- and is now in private practice. ken, please. >>